Episode Summary:
This episode of BEATS WORKING features multi-talented DJ, EDM producer, and employee benefits executive Justin Murta. Hosts Alysse Bryson and Libby Sundgren dive into Justin’s unique journey balancing a global music career and corporate leadership, his experiences performing in 34 countries, and practical insights into work-life balance, family, and creativity. Justin even spits a freestyle rap for listeners and discusses his latest projects and tech obsessions.
Timestamps:
[00:00] – Freestyle raps and aging tech
[03:00] – The best DJ headphones and favorite gear
[05:12] – Ray-Ban’s Meta glasses: Music, audio, and live POV experiments
[08:40] – Touring 34 countries: favorite places, wildest gigs, and event tech setup
[13:08] – Justin’s origin story: From rapper to globetrotting DJ & benefits executive
[17:26] – Connecting entertainment skills to employee benefits and corporate success
[23:55] – Family life: Involving kids in the “family business” of DJing and traveling
[30:50] – Biggest and smallest events: From 110,000 fans in Vietnam to intimate gigs
[33:08] – Event fails and saving shows: Rolling with typhoons and on-stage surprises
[34:08] – The Hip Hop Handbook: Bringing hip hop education to schools & latest book
[44:03] – Justin’s freestyle rap sign-off & where you can find him online
Resources & Links:
-Justin Murta: LinkedIn, Instagram & Instagram
-DJ Justin Murta: Website, Instagram, Facebook
-Book: Hip Hop Handbook Volume 2: Art of DJing
-Alysse & Libby: Bios & LinkedIn
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Ep 29 Justin Murta
Libby Sundgren [00:00:00]:
Can you spit us a rhyme?
Justin Murta [00:00:02]:
Oh, I don’t want to put you on spots.
Libby Sundgren [00:00:04]:
Okay, you don’t have to.
Justin Murta [00:00:04]:
No, no.
Alysse Bryson [00:00:05]:
I mean, the podcast is called Beats Working Justice.
Justin Murta [00:00:08]:
Right? Right.
Alysse Bryson [00:00:09]:
Come on, man.
Justin Murta [00:00:10]:
We’ll do. We’ll. We’ll. We’ll hook, line and sinker the audience in, but I’ll give you guys a rhyme at the end, I promise.
Libby Sundgren [00:00:16]:
Okay?
Alysse Bryson [00:00:17]:
Okay. Okay.
Justin Murta [00:00:17]:
Okay. Yeah, yeah. So that’ll, that’ll be the. That’ll be the hook for people to stick around and see that, you know, see the 46 year old Jerstine Mutar. Like, Busta Rhyme. I gotta. I got to clap on, clap off. My.
Justin Murta [00:00:33]:
Have like one of those most. My motion sensor light system is on.
Libby Sundgren [00:00:38]:
What happens when we get old? You know?
Justin Murta [00:00:40]:
Yeah, I’ve fallen and I can’t turn on my light.
Alysse Bryson [00:00:45]:
Well, I mean, so far we’ve talked about clapping on, clapping off. We talk about transition lenses.
Libby Sundgren [00:00:51]:
I mean, it’s turning into a different kind of a podcast. This is what we anticipated, but this.
Alysse Bryson [00:00:57]:
Is what your 40s look like, folks. This is what your 40s look like.
Justin Murta [00:01:00]:
Right? And then the worst thing is I can barely remember what we first started talking about.
Alysse Bryson [00:01:08]:
Yeah.
Justin Murta [00:01:08]:
Why are we even here? Nobody knows. Why am I here today?
Alysse Bryson [00:01:12]:
Welcome to Beats Winning the Game of Events, where we share stories and strategies to turn any event or life moment into something unforgettable.
Libby Sundgren [00:01:22]:
Events are wild and the people who work in them are some of the most resilient humans on Earth. And if you know, you know.
Alysse Bryson [00:01:29]:
So come with us behind the curtain for a look at their most memorable experiences.
Libby Sundgren [00:01:35]:
As they say, the show must go on. So let’s get on with the show. Hello and welcome back to Beats Working Winning the Game of Events. Our guest today is just a Murtaugh. We know him. We love him. If you know him, you also love him. He.
Libby Sundgren [00:01:55]:
He is a DJ and EDM producer with a career spanning over 17 years with performances in 34 countries. I definitely don’t have that many passport stamps, so he’s got me beat there. Known for his high energy shows and genre spanning sets from EDM and hip hop to rock and house. He’s rocked some of the world’s most prestigious stages. And when he is not behind the decks, I know him in another life because he’s the Senior VP of Sales and Marketing at Acrisure, helping companies navigate the complex world of employee benefits, which is where my husband works. Shout out employee benefits. He lives in Snohomish, Washington with his wife and four amazing kids, balancing life Family and work with passion and some party rocking flare. Whether he’s on the stage or in the boardroom, he brings the same magnetic energy and creative spark to everything he does.
Libby Sundgren [00:02:52]:
This I can’t attest to because we’ve worked with him. Welcome, Justin.
Alysse Bryson [00:02:57]:
Welcome, Justin.
Justin Murta [00:02:59]:
Thank you so much for having me today. Excited to be here.
Libby Sundgren [00:03:02]:
And you look so glam in your, like, your outfit today. I love it. I’m feeling kind of gas station, but you’re looking like DJ chic.
Justin Murta [00:03:12]:
Yeah, well, you know, my wife dresses me. She. She thinks that all, all podcasts and everything are pretty important.
Libby Sundgren [00:03:19]:
So let’s do this together corner for that.
Alysse Bryson [00:03:23]:
I like how you have your headphones like behind your hat so you can still wear the hat. I’m going to steal that trick because I have some hats I want to wear, but they don’t fit over my headphones. Don’t fit over them.
Justin Murta [00:03:34]:
It’s been my. I’ve. I’ve been rocking like this for like, I think 12 years now with this. Is that like a kind of configuration?
Alysse Bryson [00:03:43]:
Is that like.
Justin Murta [00:03:44]:
Yeah, yeah, I got. The V modas are pretty okay. They’re pretty nice. Yeah.
Libby Sundgren [00:03:49]:
That’s like. Are they meant to be down low?
Justin Murta [00:03:52]:
Yeah, you have to. You move the, you toggle the pads so you can listen to the. The outside music. Because sometimes the mix in your headphones is a little bit different than what’s actually coming out of the monitors. So, you know, especially if you’re cueing something up, like I’ll have one ear will be Q and then the other one’s like the full mix. But then sometimes I’ll drop the full mix and then I’ll listen to either the monitors that are ahead or like, you know, just kind of. You can kind of gauge like, you know, the overall front of house sound sometimes, like depending on the venue.
Alysse Bryson [00:04:24]:
But Justin, while we’re on the topic of headphones, can you tell us if there is a headphones brand that you endorse or love or maybe that you want to endorse intense sponsors that are listening?
Justin Murta [00:04:38]:
No, no particular brand that I’m vouching for. I currently use V Moda. They were really awesome. Unfortunately though, like, they haven’t really been so supportive lately. They’ve kind of geared up towards the prosumer market versus kind of like, you know, being the, the DJ DJs kind of headphones and making headphones kind of specifically for DJs. But yeah, I mean, these work okay.
Libby Sundgren [00:05:08]:
They’re better than an AirPod.
Justin Murta [00:05:10]:
Nothing’s sticking out better than an airpod.
Alysse Bryson [00:05:12]:
Well, I recently got the. Just speaking of earphones in your ear, I recently got the meta Ray Ban glasses, and it is wild how those talk. The speakers are like behind your ears on the handles, but, like, unless you’re really close to me, you can’t hear them. Oh, you have them too.
Libby Sundgren [00:05:34]:
Oh, my God.
Justin Murta [00:05:34]:
I just got them for my birthday.
Alysse Bryson [00:05:37]:
So you can totally. Here’s the only thing I wish they did. I wish the camera had a zoom in, zoom out feature. It doesn’t, but I do like a lot of the other features. I’m enjoying the audio part more than I thought I would because, like, when you’re walking, you can listen to a podcast. You can. It’ll read you your text messages if you’re doing directions. If you’re wearing them while you’re driving, it’ll give you the directions.
Alysse Bryson [00:06:04]:
So it’s, it does more than just catching video and, and images, which is what I originally got it for. I also, I went into a gallery shop a couple days ago, and as I was entering, there was a big sign that said no pictures or video. And so I was like, no problem. And I put my glasses on and started recording.
Justin Murta [00:06:25]:
I did. That’s so awesome. No, no, it’s. I’ve had mine for 24 hours now and.
Alysse Bryson [00:06:31]:
24 hours. Did you get them for Father’s Day then? Are they.
Justin Murta [00:06:35]:
Yeah, I got them for my, well, Father’s Day birthday.
Alysse Bryson [00:06:37]:
Father’s Day birthday. Are you going to use them while you’re DJing so you can get, like, video of the crowd?
Justin Murta [00:06:44]:
Absolutely. Yeah. No, I’ve, I’ve already started kind of testing it out for that. I’m, I’m super excited about them, but I, I, I didn’t think I was going to be that in love with the audio, but the audio is amazing.
Alysse Bryson [00:06:57]:
Audio is where it’s at. Like, they are missing the mark on their marketing. The, they need to work more on the audio than the actual pictures. But the quality of the pictures and video is pretty impressive.
Justin Murta [00:07:07]:
Well, I can’t do earbuds because, like, it hurts. Like, it doesn’t matter if they’re properly sized or whatever. Like, it really hurts, like, the inside of my ears. So after like an hour, it’s like, excruciating pain.
Alysse Bryson [00:07:21]:
Yeah.
Justin Murta [00:07:22]:
And then you can’t really work out with over the head earphones because they just get gross after a while.
Alysse Bryson [00:07:28]:
Right.
Justin Murta [00:07:28]:
And like, this is. I worked out last night with those on and I was, like, blown away. Like, just blown away. Like, I’m just in Shock, like, wow. Wish I would have got them like a year ago or two years ago whenever they came out.
Alysse Bryson [00:07:41]:
Yeah, I noticed yours are the glasses version, not the sunglass version. I got the sunglass version, and now I’m kind of wishing I had two pairs because when I’m inside, I look a little creepy. I did do it at a convention last week when I was in Vegas, but. But I did look a little creepy walking through an indoor venue with glasses on. Although I was in Vegas, so maybe people just thought I was hungover. Like, maybe.
Justin Murta [00:08:03]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got the. You know, the ones that get darker with the light.
Alysse Bryson [00:08:10]:
Oh, yeah.
Justin Murta [00:08:11]:
When it’s inside, I just.
Alysse Bryson [00:08:13]:
Transitionals.
Justin Murta [00:08:14]:
Yeah, I think so. I just call it. I just call it the Clark Kent look.
Libby Sundgren [00:08:18]:
Transition lenses.
Justin Murta [00:08:19]:
I’m like, hey, you wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses, would you?
Alysse Bryson [00:08:25]:
Okay, well, we’re gonna need to report back on meta Ray Bans as how they work when you are behind a deck at a party, because I’m going to want to know a full.
Justin Murta [00:08:35]:
I’ll give you guys some POV from. From the next cool event.
Alysse Bryson [00:08:40]:
Very excited. So, speaking of events, you performed in 34 different countries. Do you have a favorite of all the countries?
Justin Murta [00:08:49]:
You know, that’s funny. I’ve actually had. I’ve actually had five people ask me that question in a span of a week. And before that, I don’t think I’ve. I’ve only had, like, maybe one or two people ever ask me that question. And it’s really hard because, like, every country you go to has something that’s, you know, just something mind blowing. Right?
Alysse Bryson [00:09:07]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Justin Murta [00:09:08]:
And so it’s. It’s really tough, you know, and I’m a little bit biased because I lived in Vietnam for, you know, the better part of six years. So, I mean, you know, my most favorite. My most favorite performances were there, you know, because, like, we did. We did some crazy ones there. Plus, I just, you know, I love Vietnam, but. And then there’s so many, you know, geographically, America’s just, you know, I mean, probably one of the most diverse countries arguably out there. Right? I mean, you have every type of climate.
Justin Murta [00:09:40]:
Like, even in Washington State, for example, like, you have pretty much every type of climate in this state alone. So, I mean, I’ve done some really cool stuff in the United States and been to some really neat places and both kind of microculturally. I. I think you can call it that microculturally or, you know, like, there’s certain regions that’ll have, like, their own thing that they’ve been doing for, you know, a couple hundred years now. And, and in some instances you know, where you have the natives that have kept their traditions and stuff alive. I mean, you, you know, stuff that spans millennia that are, you know, culturally inherent, that have actually spread to the, you know, the incoming cultures that have, you know, come and settled in those areas. So, I mean, there’s just so many cool things that I’ve been a part of, like being a dj. It’s, you know, it’s really hard to put your finger on one thing, but, you know, everything kind of goes back to Vietnam.
Justin Murta [00:10:32]:
Like, I gotta say that, you know.
Alysse Bryson [00:10:33]:
It’S, you know, is there a country that you would never go to again? How about me, Let me flip the question. Is there one that you’re like, never going back again no matter what the deal is?
Justin Murta [00:10:45]:
No, I’d never, never say that. I’ve been in some countries where I’ve had some bad situations and bad things happen to me. But, you know, definitely don’t blame the country or a country’s government on, you know, the actions or inactions of, you.
Libby Sundgren [00:10:58]:
Know, individuals or something.
Justin Murta [00:11:01]:
Yeah, yeah.
Alysse Bryson [00:11:02]:
Is it hard to travel with all your gear or do you ever not travel with your gear and just rent gear when you get there?
Justin Murta [00:11:09]:
I usually don’t rent the gear. So in a contract, usually have like, what’s called a performance rider. And then I put in the gear that I need to use or want to use, or a promoter will be like, this is the gear that all the DJs are using. You know, get used to it. Practice on this before you get here. You know, that’s why a lot of people choose Pioneer, because even like the lowest end of the Pioneer spectrum, like, if you just get an entry level Pioneer DJ setup, it’s, it’s like a smaller version of, you know, of the whole kind of universe. So if you’re practicing on that, you can find a lot of functionality in the pro stuff that you’re going to play on. So that, that was one of the reasons why I kind of went into the Pioneer universe just because so many people had adopted it.
Justin Murta [00:11:59]:
It’s starting to change a lot now because Denon and a lot of the other companies are really, know, making a lot of cool stuff. And, you know, technology is just, it’s changing by the minute. So, I mean, even 10 years ago, you still had to, like, physically have to have a lot of stuff to make a cool party or, you know, to actually make a good DJ set. And now like, there’s some of the controllers that are out there that are arguably better than some of the, you know, the, the Nexus 2000 setups that, you know, we’re kind of on main stage, so it’s, It’s. It’s definitely a cool time to be a dj.
Libby Sundgren [00:12:38]:
How did you get into the DJ space? I don’t think I know anyone else who works in employee benefits who’s also a globetrotting dj. And I should say, I actually know zero people. I don’t think TJ knows anybody else either. So I really. When I. When we found out that we both knew you, I was like, there’s no way he.
Justin Murta [00:13:02]:
Different Justin.
Libby Sundgren [00:13:03]:
Yes. Totally different. Different Justin Murtaugh. Totally different person.
Justin Murta [00:13:08]:
Yeah. A lot of people, like, they always ask, do you sleep? Do you ever sleep?
Libby Sundgren [00:13:13]:
Yeah. Night gig, day, daytime. Helping people.
Justin Murta [00:13:19]:
Yeah, no, it’s. It’s a crazy origin story. You know, like, I kind of went right into employee benefits. Like, I got hired technically, like in college, so I just started working in that field, but at the same time, I was like, nurturing my music career. So I started as a. As a rapper. So was the, you know, cliche white.
Libby Sundgren [00:13:44]:
Can you give us a rhyme? Can you spit us a rhyme?
Justin Murta [00:13:47]:
Oh, I don’t want to put you on spots.
Libby Sundgren [00:13:49]:
Okay, you don’t have to.
Justin Murta [00:13:50]:
No, no.
Alysse Bryson [00:13:50]:
I mean, the podcast is called Beats Working Justin.
Justin Murta [00:13:53]:
Right, Right.
Alysse Bryson [00:13:55]:
Come on, man.
Justin Murta [00:13:55]:
We’ll do well. We’ll. We’ll. We’ll hook, line and sinker the audience in, but I’ll give you guys a rhyme at the end, I promise.
Libby Sundgren [00:14:02]:
Okay?
Alysse Bryson [00:14:02]:
Okay. Okay.
Justin Murta [00:14:03]:
Yeah, yeah. So that’ll. That’ll be the. That’ll be the hook for people to stick around. See that?
Alysse Bryson [00:14:08]:
Great.
Justin Murta [00:14:09]:
You know, see the 46 year old Jersti Mutar, like, Buster rhyme. I got a. I got a clap on, clap off. My. Have like one of those most. My motion sensor light system is on.
Libby Sundgren [00:14:23]:
What happens when we get old, you know? Yeah.
Justin Murta [00:14:28]:
Fallen and I can’t turn on my light.
Alysse Bryson [00:14:31]:
Well, I mean, so far we’ve talked about clapping on, clapping off. We talk about transition lenses.
Libby Sundgren [00:14:36]:
I mean, this is turning into a different kind of a podcast. This is what we anticipated, but this.
Alysse Bryson [00:14:43]:
Is what your 40s look like, folks. This is what your 40s look like.
Justin Murta [00:14:46]:
Right? And then the worst thing is, is I can barely remember what we first started talking about.
Alysse Bryson [00:14:53]:
Yeah. Why are we even here? Nobody knows.
Justin Murta [00:14:56]:
Why am I here today?
Alysse Bryson [00:14:57]:
Okay, I have a question for both of you. Did you guys know each other? How long have you know did you know Justin before King 5? Because I don’t think I did, but maybe you did, Libby.
Justin Murta [00:15:10]:
I. I mean, I. I knew TJ. I actually knew TJ before.
Libby Sundgren [00:15:14]:
Yeah.
Justin Murta [00:15:14]:
I. I went on to King 5, so I knew of Libby before King 5, so. Which I did. I, like, you know, like my. My old madness, like, I didn’t put it together, you know, because, like, I didn’t. I didn’t put the connection together until it was like, after I had already done, like, a couple of things on King 5, and then it was just like, oh, yeah, because your last name. Sungreen. Yeah.
Justin Murta [00:15:44]:
This is all making sense.
Libby Sundgren [00:15:45]:
I know. Well, this city is so small, but it feels like it should be a lot bigger. But the longer I’m here, the more.
Alysse Bryson [00:15:53]:
I’m like, it’s small.
Libby Sundgren [00:15:55]:
Yeah, it really is.
Justin Murta [00:15:56]:
Yeah, it’s a. It’s like that with the entertainment industry. It’s kind of like that everywhere. It’s kind of weird. I’ve really been interested in synchronicity and the idea of synchronicity. I’ve been listening to, like, you know, a few weird podcasts lately, and then I’m like, man, you know, there is a lot of that, though. Like, you know, like, for example, my dad’s name’s Tim, so Tim and Justin, Right? So there’s a. There’s a Tim and Justin Murda that live on the east coast of the United States, and they’re both like one year our junior.
Justin Murta [00:16:29]:
Almost exactly. And the only reason why I know this is because that Justin got like a dui, right? And so people like, search and they’ll be like, oh, you got a dui? It’s like, no, I don’t want that. But, yeah, totally crazy. They both kind of work in similar, like, healthcare or something like that. Like, I’ve never met him, so that is so weird.
Alysse Bryson [00:16:51]:
Yeah.
Libby Sundgren [00:16:51]:
Tim and Justin.
Justin Murta [00:16:52]:
If you guys are in the whole.
Libby Sundgren [00:16:53]:
World, we need to do like a little reunion show. Reunion. Or a little meeting episode.
Alysse Bryson [00:16:59]:
There’s an Elise Bryson in Illinois, and she’s a doctor. And I bet you she’s so annoyed at people asking her how long she’s been sober. I bet you she’s so, so annoyed about that. I have yet to be time as a doctor, though. Nobody’s asked me that. Weird. Just how do you. Like, there’s definitely got to be a connection between being an entertainer and employee benefits.
Alysse Bryson [00:17:24]:
Like, there’s got to be skills you’re using in both places.
Justin Murta [00:17:26]:
What does that look like?
Alysse Bryson [00:17:27]:
Yeah, what does that look like?
Justin Murta [00:17:28]:
Well, yeah, and that’s an awesome segue because that’s, you know, one of the things that I’m really trying to kind of promote and advocate this year. I’ve got a lot of traction from, you know, not only acrisure itself because they’re really kind of supportive of like the idea of a work life balance or a work work balance or whatever you’d want to call that. But I think it’s, I think it’s very important for companies going into the future to kind of, you know, nurture that because, you know, it used to be that people would kind of suck it up and be the company man and, you know, a lot of hobbies and interests would kind of stay to the side. But, you know, it seems that it’s very important for employees these days to, to kind of have those options and have that flexibility. People like to be heard, people like to be recognized. And, you know, we’re finding that people that follow their passion on, you know, kind of a personal side or a different side are often the same ones that are shining on the other side of the spectrum because those are the dedicated, motivated people that are in a work environment. And you know, if you’re helping them keep interest and focus on one thing, then they’ll help keep focused and interest on the other. So, yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s really cool.
Justin Murta [00:18:50]:
But yeah, tech, totally. Like, I mean, me being a DJ for, you know, bigger events, especially like, you know, what you would consider Lux events, corporate events, it puts me right in the path of decision makers for those companies. So then if I’m able to entertain an audience with them, you know, before or after or during the event, then a lot of times I can impress upon them my expertise and employee benefits. And it’s help nurture, create and define relationships with those individuals. And, you know, they get to see a different side of me. And you know, I think it, it kind of opens up a different bond with them. But yeah, it’s helped me win business on both sides of the fence. So then, you know, when companies are looking for a DJ or entertainment, then they’re going to earmark somebody that they know and trust.
Justin Murta [00:19:44]:
So. Works both, both ways. It’s very, very. The last five years have been crazy, but yeah, well, it’s such a good.
Libby Sundgren [00:19:52]:
Way to like walk your talk, you know, and we, you know, we talk a lot about, in our own company about, you know, work life balance, but really it’s just a life balance because you, you know, we want you to love your work and so it’s really just kind of like one life. It’s hard to separate, you know, all the things of your life. You only have one life. You don’t have two different people that you are. And I think that that’s such a powerful thing for people to see you living the, you know, culture of your company and of, you know, employee benefits and, you know, all of the really cool things that can happen when a company gives their employees, you know, that kind of freedom and, you know, the opportunity to have that kind of a lifestyle.
Justin Murta [00:20:44]:
Absolutely. Well, you know, and the other thing, too is, you know, if we’re not careful, privileges and, you know, benefits, fringe benefits, especially in the workplace, are going to go away. You know, the. There’s just kind of like, I think, an overwhelming or an ominous sense in the marketplace right now. And we can see that, you know, a lot of companies are really starting to feel the pinch. Everything from, you know, the tariff negotiations to just, you know, the overall, you know, financial irresponsibility that the government’s kind of promoted over the last three decades. It’s starting to creep into, you know, the financial sectors, which, you know, directly affect our bottom line. And I don’t think there’s going to be any simple solution to that.
Justin Murta [00:21:37]:
So within the next five years, we’re going to see a lot of those benefits. If we’re not using them and we’re not promoting them and we’re not talking about them, they will. They will go away. I mean, there’s, you know, and that’ll be kind of like. To me, I think that’ll be kind of like the canary in the coal mine situation, because, you know, when. When your benefits go away and, you know, your leave and all that stuff goes away, I mean, then the companies are going to go bankrupt and then there’s going to be mass unemployment, so kind of doom and gloom type of thing. But, you know, I see that, you know, if people are engaged with their benefits and people are happy about their benefits, they’re often happy about work. And, you know, it works both ways.
Justin Murta [00:22:20]:
Like, you know, human resources have. Have to not only act like they care about, you know, their workers and. And then in kind, the company has to nurture HR to, you know, make it a fun, happy, enjoyable place to go. Because at the end of the day, it’s work, man. It’s like, totally. We don’t go to. We don’t go to. We don’t go to work, you know, for anything other than to work.
Justin Murta [00:22:46]:
And, like, it’s often not always Associated with fun and work, you know, shouldn’t always be like, oh, this is making me so happy, you know, because I mean, even as a dj, right? Like, I mean, there’s. There’s some really crappy things about being a dj. Like, I mean, some people are like, oh, well, you know, why don’t you just be a dj? You know, it’s like, well, let’s go back to Covid. I was just a DJ during COVID Like, I would have been Justin the uber driving dj. You know, like someone have been playing.
Libby Sundgren [00:23:16]:
Outside of Met Market. Just.
Justin Murta [00:23:18]:
Right, right. So, I mean, you know, finding different avenues for employment are super important. And sometimes, like, when the benefit stuff gets mundane or not so awesome, I can like fall into music and vice versa. You know, you have like a couple bad clients or you have a couple shows that it’s just like, you know, crowd was weird or unruly or you just weren’t feeling it. It’s like that. Go over here and, you know, talk to awesome people. Like tj.
Libby Sundgren [00:23:50]:
Yeah, shout out to tj.
Alysse Bryson [00:23:51]:
Just like tj. Shout out to tj.
Justin Murta [00:23:54]:
He’s awesome.
Libby Sundgren [00:23:55]:
Okay, You’re a dad to four kids and you’re a husband. You’re a totally great family guy. How do you mix and balance this life of work and music and family and still stay creative and keep your energy and I mean, keep it all going.
Alysse Bryson [00:24:20]:
I like how you use the word mix, Libby. Way to, Way to work that in. That was a nice touch.
Libby Sundgren [00:24:25]:
Music, puns, all about it.
Justin Murta [00:24:27]:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, sometimes you got to turn up the volume on.
Libby Sundgren [00:24:34]:
I should have known you. I feel like every time I think I’ve got a good one, you just like ratchet it up just a little bit more.
Justin Murta [00:24:43]:
Sometimes you gotta press play at the.
Libby Sundgren [00:24:45]:
Playground, you know, he’s got more parenting experience than me.
Alysse Bryson [00:24:50]:
Okay.
Libby Sundgren [00:24:51]:
He’s got more dad joke time under his belt.
Alysse Bryson [00:24:54]:
Yeah, well, before kids, he’s got. Yeah, he’s got you beat by double the kids times too.
Libby Sundgren [00:24:59]:
And I think a little more time. How old’s your oldest?
Justin Murta [00:25:02]:
About to be 12. 11. Going on 12.
Alysse Bryson [00:25:06]:
Wait, you have four between the ages of 0 and 12? 4.
Justin Murta [00:25:10]:
4 and 12, so.
Alysse Bryson [00:25:12]:
Oh, between 4 and 12. Yeah, that’s. That’s. They’re pretty close together.
Justin Murta [00:25:16]:
A 4, a 4, a 6, 10 and 11. So, yeah, so about to be 12, about to be 7, about to be 5. So it’s all be toddlers, which is what I’m talking about. It’s really not that bad, man. They like, they’re super good. They Play with each other.
Libby Sundgren [00:25:34]:
Once you have one, you might as well have like seven. I mean, I don’.
Justin Murta [00:25:38]:
You have to have two.
Libby Sundgren [00:25:39]:
We have two. And I’m like, you just throw some more in there, you know?
Alysse Bryson [00:25:42]:
Yeah. After two, I don’t know that the numbers really matter. Yeah, right.
Justin Murta [00:25:46]:
Two is very important because the two, you know, they play with each other. And I feel sorry. Shout out to all the single kids, the only kids out there, only child, man, they want to play at their parents all the time. And you got to. Because like, that’s your responsibility.
Libby Sundgren [00:26:01]:
You know what? That’s so true. Because sometimes some of them. My. My oldest son has some friends who are only kids. They’re wonderful. I love them, love their families, love their parents. But sometimes some of his friends will come over and they’ll be like, so are you gonna play with us? I’m like, no, no, you guys are.
Justin Murta [00:26:20]:
Go play with each other.
Libby Sundgren [00:26:21]:
Do something. You’re friends. I’m not playing with you guys.
Justin Murta [00:26:24]:
Kid stuff. Yeah, right. No, and what you find is, is like a lot of the, a lot of the. Only children’s parents, like, not saying anything disparaging because I think being a parent should be 100 encouraged in America right now. But dude, like, they, they like lower their play standards to like, oh, I gotta be on my kids level. You know, instead of like, you know, hey, let’s go in and play some warhammer together, you know, let’s. Let’s do something crazy, kid. Like, you know, they, they drop the play level down, you know, where kids are always trying to like, build up, you know, level up.
Justin Murta [00:26:59]:
Funny. Like, yeah, my 10 year old, like, she’ll be trying to get my 4 year old to play chess, you know, like gotten dominated on by mom, you know, and then she like, I’ll see.
Libby Sundgren [00:27:09]:
Her, like, I’ll get the four year old in here.
Justin Murta [00:27:12]:
Like, hey, get over here.
Libby Sundgren [00:27:13]:
Bust my confidence night.
Justin Murta [00:27:16]:
You’re four.
Libby Sundgren [00:27:17]:
You know, it’s like every time Sevy, my eight year old, tells me a joke and I’m like, that sounds so not like what an 8 year old kind of joke should be. And I’ll say, where did you. Trying to be nice, not judgmental.
Alysse Bryson [00:27:31]:
I’m like, where’d you.
Libby Sundgren [00:27:33]:
That’s a really interesting joke. Where did you hear that? I sat on SNL with dad. So do you watch SNL with your kids? How do you do it? Because, you know, DJing is. I mean, you have a, you know, what we would call a 9 to 5 job. But DJing is nights and weekends and like we said, lots of travel. I mean, how do you stay present and, you know, in your family? Like, keep your family unit kind of going as, you know, when you’re.
Justin Murta [00:28:03]:
Well one. I try to involve them in everything as much as possible. So shout out to DJ discounts for including my family and the program. So.
Alysse Bryson [00:28:13]:
Yay.
Justin Murta [00:28:17]:
If you want a good wedding, dj, all you have to do is invite my family. They love weddings, man. They’re girls, so they’re like, oh, what? They invited us, you know, and they’ll like, I’ll get dressed up, you know, but they don’t like to do it all the time. So, like, you know, I don’t. I don’t always bring it up, but I. I try to get them at least like, one. One wedding a month or two weddings a month. And then, yeah, I just take them wherever I went and DJ’d in Vegas and did like a HR conference for a week.
Justin Murta [00:28:43]:
Took them with me. All of the conferences that are coming up, I try to take as many of them with me as possible. So when I go on the road, we’re kind of rolling as a unit again. Try to build it in my contracts, you know, like, you know, I’ll do price, trade and stuff like that. But I love having them with me. I think it’s important that they’re there at the shows. Like, if I’m on stage at big festivals, I’ll. I’ll bring my girls up and kind of introduce them to this, you know, stage and lighting and show them the ropes.
Justin Murta [00:29:12]:
And now my oldest, like, a lot of my, you know, smaller gigs and stuff, especially the ones where I actually bring my own equipment out to my oldest. She goes with me and helps me and stuff. So she’s been doing that for two years, and she’s made a. Made a small nest egg doing that. But she works really hard, and she can sing and play the piano and, like, super proud of her.
Alysse Bryson [00:29:34]:
And, you know, do you guys coordinate outfit?
Justin Murta [00:29:37]:
Like, hey, you got to take over dad’s DJ gig or anything like that, you know, but you got to take.
Libby Sundgren [00:29:42]:
Over the family business, guys.
Justin Murta [00:29:44]:
Yeah, it’s the family business.
Alysse Bryson [00:29:46]:
Do you guys coordinate outfits? Do you have. Do you have coordinated outfits? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Justin Murta [00:29:52]:
Oh, yeah, yeah. My. Yeah, my wife’s Asian, so they love that stuff. Not trying to be.
Libby Sundgren [00:29:58]:
She’s dressing you.
Justin Murta [00:30:00]:
That’s just the way they are. Do they, like, they’ll match and. Yeah, yeah, like, it’s a sky. And so I, like, I’ll perpetuate. Like, I’ll Feel left out if I don’t match. Like, oh, my guys are all wearing blue. Like, are you guys mad?
Libby Sundgren [00:30:14]:
What’s going on? I would have worn blue.
Alysse Bryson [00:30:15]:
Why didn’t you tell me?
Justin Murta [00:30:17]:
Like, I’m sticking out. Like, are you guys mad? I like it, man. It’s cool. Like, you know, I feel like we’re. We’re definitely, like, a solid team. We’ve got dogs and cats and we live in the woods. And, like, it’s pretty awesome.
Libby Sundgren [00:30:30]:
Oh, what a cool way to grow up.
Justin Murta [00:30:32]:
Definitely. I feel like I’m definitely living my best life right now. Like, I’ve done some cool stuff and, you know, had some neat experiences on the road and worked with cool people. But, dude, kids and the family and all this, it’s just. It all makes sense now, you know? So I feel like I’m in a good place. So.
Alysse Bryson [00:30:50]:
Oh, what’s the biggest event you’ve worked like as far as, like, number of people?
Justin Murta [00:30:57]:
110,000.
Alysse Bryson [00:30:59]:
That’s a lot of people.
Justin Murta [00:31:00]:
Yeah. Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. New Year’s Eve. Armin Van Buren was supposed to be the headliner. And he. He, for whatever reason, like, couldn’t travel. So I was kind of like the de facto. I was like the entertainment.
Libby Sundgren [00:31:18]:
Oh, my God.
Justin Murta [00:31:19]:
So I DJ’d, I emceed. It was nuts. Like, I could, like. So it was like this whole program with Heineken. And so it was before they started doing their ocean eyes, I think it was called Ocean Eyes events. And I even, like, choreographed, like, these big kind of, like parade floats. So they had like these kind of, you know, like, Vietnam’s interpretation of parade floats. And they were, like, all a representation of different aspects of, you know, countries all around the world.
Justin Murta [00:31:50]:
And I would. I choreographed all their dances and everything. So I. I literally did everything on that whole tour. Soup to nuts. And it was, like, super exhausting. But we did some. We did some huge shows.
Justin Murta [00:31:59]:
But, yeah, the biggest one was 110,000.
Alysse Bryson [00:32:02]:
That’s super cool.
Justin Murta [00:32:03]:
Published. It was crazy. So there I was with 110,000 screaming Vietnamese fans.
Alysse Bryson [00:32:12]:
And then what was the smallest. What’s the smallest event you’ve ever done?
Justin Murta [00:32:16]:
Not your living room smallest. You know, two people, three people.
Alysse Bryson [00:32:22]:
Yeah, just.
Libby Sundgren [00:32:23]:
Private wedding.
Justin Murta [00:32:24]:
Oh, Just, you know, like. No, not. Not a very well promoted casino game.
Alysse Bryson [00:32:30]:
Painful. Painful. That’s painful.
Justin Murta [00:32:34]:
It’s all good, man. You take the good with the bad. I rock it. I always rock it. I always tell people it doesn’t, you know, matter if it’s 9 or 99,000, man. Same show.
Libby Sundgren [00:32:43]:
Yeah. And you know what? As an event organizer who has had some events that were not really great turnouts, not everyone’s where I had a deejay, but if I did have a dj and there were only two people, I would really appreciate them not making me feel even worse than I probably already felt.
Justin Murta [00:33:07]:
Right, right.
Libby Sundgren [00:33:07]:
Because.
Justin Murta [00:33:08]:
Yeah, exactly.
Libby Sundgren [00:33:09]:
You know, if there’s nobody at your event, it’s kind of sad.
Justin Murta [00:33:12]:
Oh, it kind of is. But then at the same time, it’s like, well, I. I had a different mentality. So, like, you know, being. Being the rapper, starting out early, like, I had to deal with some pretty, you know, small, weird, you know, not well promoted, you know, just bad shows. Like, over the years, like, I’ve had a lot. So as a dj, I was kind of already like used to that. But as I, you know, or I would.
Justin Murta [00:33:39]:
I would have been used to it. But here’s what I. Here’s my philosophy. You know, you can tell everybody online now in social media, you know, like, dude, you missed the party of a lifetime. There was like thousands of people there. It was the best set I ever threw. You missed out fomo.
Libby Sundgren [00:33:56]:
It’s amazing.
Alysse Bryson [00:33:58]:
Okay, as we start to wind down, Justin, I need, I need the deets. I need the 411 on the hip Hop Handbook. What is that about?
Justin Murta [00:34:08]:
So that was the. That was the bridge to being able to do entertainment stuff full time. So I was looking for an avenue to. To be a rapper full time. And so I created this company with my business partner, Jerris Green. He goes by Professor Icy. He’s actually back in America now. He.
Justin Murta [00:34:27]:
He lives in Olympia and we still cohort on some stuff. We actually just created another hip hop handbook volume, the Art of DJing. So volume two, it’s an actual book on how to DJ.
Libby Sundgren [00:34:39]:
Oh, is it for sale right now?
Justin Murta [00:34:42]:
What’s that?
Libby Sundgren [00:34:42]:
Is it for sale?
Justin Murta [00:34:43]:
Yeah, it’s. It’s actually on Lulu. So you can actually buy it on Lulu, but I haven’t promoted it yet. We’re kind of feeling it out to see if we’re going to get like an official publisher or a company to pick it up.
Libby Sundgren [00:34:56]:
Okay.
Justin Murta [00:34:56]:
But.
Libby Sundgren [00:34:57]:
Well, if you’re lucky listeners, we’ll link it in the show notes.
Justin Murta [00:35:00]:
But yeah, this is like the super secret release. So on Lulu, Hip hop Handbook, Volume 2, the Art of DJing. But yeah, the Hip Hop Handbook, it was a kind of a demonstration on the history of hip hop. So it was kind of storytelling through the actual art form. So we would usually go out in like A three or four man configuration. Everybody on the team had to be able to rap, break dance and dj. And we started out with kind of like the old school, going to like kind of the early 90s and then, you know, kind of ending with the now. And so using there’s four elements to hip hop.
Justin Murta [00:35:40]:
There’s, you know, the rapper emceeing, then there’s breakdance or what they call urban dance now, or a lot of people try to name it however they want to name it, but break in and B boying and bee girling. Then there was aerosol art, which is better known as graffiti, and then DJing. And so those four elements we would try to represent. But most schools didn’t want any graffiti for obvious reasons, didn’t want us to encourage aerosol art. There’s a few shout out to Mike and Melissa Prescott out in Maine, who. They actually had us come out and we did like the full, full meal deal. Holy field, man. Like, they promoted the whole thing.
Justin Murta [00:36:21]:
We actually took some of their students on the road with us and were starting to shoot a documentary for PBS because they were just like these, you know, random kids in hip hop culture in the middle of Maine, and they were excelling at it, you know, kind of, you know, really great at beatboxing and everything. Like, it was really cool. But yeah, so we’d go out, we’d do the show, we would perform in schools all over the United States. We became the number one assembly for like 2008 or 2009, like right before we kind of like shut it down. It was just, it was too impractical to keep going as a business just because there was so much, so many variables. Travel and, you know, then we had like a pretty, you know, iffy agent that, you know, as I got into the music industry, found out that they took a little bit crazier of a share of the proceeds than what’s, you know, typical or fair.
Libby Sundgren [00:37:21]:
You’re like, working with schools who like, you know.
Justin Murta [00:37:24]:
Yeah, right. You’d think that, like people would be. Yeah, poor schools. Schools were. It was, it was, it was fun. But yeah, we’re trying to bring some of that back. But that’s how I got to be a dj, because I actually had to learn how to be a dj, to be, you know, or to, to make it work. And so I see in DJB Mello and a few people taught me enough stuff to, you know, be dangerous and to do the shows.
Justin Murta [00:37:48]:
And then when I got to Vietnam, actually, because of the hip hop handbook, it was A little bit more financially viable to be a DJ than to be a English speaking rapper in Southeast Asia. So it happened to Lia Doors. So. Yeah, and I never really considered. I actually, when I first started, I was like, I didn’t really want to be called a DJ because, like, DJs that I think of as DJs, like the best DJs, like DJ Premier and Rob Swift and stuff like that. Like, you know, like, as a turntable lister, dj, instrumentalist, like, I could never hold a candle to those guys, but I just had, like, that weird chip on my shoulder, like. Yeah, I’m not. I’m definitely not one of those guys.
Justin Murta [00:38:29]:
So I’m a button pusher. So, like, I kind of created this idea of button pushing, and a lot of the DJ equipment that I use would only have buttons. I used native instrument stuff and DJ’d on a platform called Traktor. And. Yeah, but I got out of that. I got over that. Now I’m, you know, I don’t feel like I have imposter syndrome.
Libby Sundgren [00:38:49]:
Good. I was gonna say your imposter syndrome. Gone.
Justin Murta [00:38:52]:
Yeah, it’s gone. I. I’m. I’m arrived. I’m here as a DJ.
Libby Sundgren [00:38:57]:
I’m on par with other DJs.
Justin Murta [00:39:00]:
Yeah. And I. And I’ve been practicing. I can actually do a little bit of scratching and stuff now, so I don’t have to be embarrassed about that anymore.
Alysse Bryson [00:39:08]:
Justin, have you ever had a situation where, like, something was about to crash and burn at an event? Because as we know, things always go wrong at events where you were able to come in and, like, be the hero and, like, pull it back together.
Justin Murta [00:39:22]:
Okay, you want to. You want to hear if this is. This is the best story?
Alysse Bryson [00:39:26]:
Yes.
Libby Sundgren [00:39:26]:
So, yes, we want to hear.
Justin Murta [00:39:28]:
This is kind of. This is the coup de grace. All right, so there was that huge super typhoon that, like, steamrolled through the Philippines. I don’t know if you guys remember it, but it was like, it was so big. Like, they were on the verge of, like, considering whether or not to call it like a Category 6 or something. Like, this is so big. It’s like, it’s the biggest at that time. I don’t know, you know, because, you know, the.
Justin Murta [00:39:50]:
The Weather Channel people, they like to be super dramatic for views. I get it. But yeah, but anyway, it was a big storm and supposedly, like, the biggest storm ever recorded up to that point. And so it, like, went through the Philippines and it, like, like did considerable damage. And it’s really awful because I’ve got a lot of friends in the Philippines, and it was pretty heartbreaking. My roommate at that time, I think his family was, like, pretty severely affected by it. And it did, like, waylaid, like, islands and stuff. Dude, it was just crazy.
Justin Murta [00:40:18]:
And so it steamrolls through the Philippines, and then it’s like, making a direct beeline for Vietnam. So we’re in Dang. And it was. It was like, really weird because, like, they kind of predicted the storm to, like, pull, like, a hook and, like, go up into, like, Hong Kong and dissipate and go up into mainland China like it normally does. But this one, like, you know, defied the forecasters odds. And it’s like, direct hit right on Danang. We’re doing this huge show out on the beach. You know, 40, 50,000 revelers, you know, are projected to show up.
Justin Murta [00:40:53]:
And, you know, the event got completely canceled, like, thank God. Like, the storm actually stalled out in the bay. Well, the next week, we’re supposed to go down the coast and then, like, do another show in Natchang, which is another city. And so everybody kind of forgot about the storm. But then, like, the. I don’t know, the remnants of it, you know, like, this has happened in the United States, too. Like, the storm will, like, go up in the mainland of the United States, and then it’ll come back out in the ocean, like, oh, I’m a storm again. Well, kind of the same thing.
Justin Murta [00:41:25]:
So it, like, around, like, hey, I’m not done with you guys. Right? Like, we’re gonna mess this one up. So this time, all the revelers in Natchang are there. So there’s like, you know, I don’t know, 30, 40,000 people out on the beach. Like, it’s arguably one of the biggest shows I’ve ever done. And we’re all set up. We’re on stage, and we actually went up and, like, we, like, prayed, like, at the, you know, Buddhist temple and everything, like, you know, for good weather. They.
Justin Murta [00:41:54]:
They brought me up there because they’re like, yeah, you got to bring this white guy up because he’s like, the answer to make the storm go away. So they, like, took me out in the middle of nowhere, and I go up there and I. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, we like burnt offerings, everything. Like, no kidding, like, no exaggeration. And it’s raining. It’s like, you know, it’s. It’s raining intermittently.
Justin Murta [00:42:14]:
That, you know, that storm was, like, really bad, like, up north and, you know, did like, a bunch of flooding, but the winds and stuff had died down. So when it came back through, you know, the storm was just still, like, pretty much just full of. Full of rain. And we come back out, and we’re just like, man, you know, if in. Since we had already canceled the first one, they’re like, yeah, if this one cancels, like, it’s going to be really bad. And, like, you know, Heineken might pull all their sponsorship money for, you know, here on out. Get out on stage. And we had, like, this good break in the weather, and it looked like everything was going to go well.
Justin Murta [00:42:48]:
And then all of a sudden, like, some of the rain came back, and then all the power goes out on stage except for one microphone. And so I went out on stage and, like, I just, you know, like, by that time, I knew enough Vietnamese, you know, to be dangerous. And so they’re just like. Like, nobody’s doing anything. So I just grabbed the microphone, I just went out there, like, took the mic, got out on stage, and just, you know, started doing, like, call and response, you know, like, with the crowd. And then I got one of the other guys to come over, and then, like, we did some beatbox, and then, like, you know, like, I, you know, did, like, a couple, you know, funny little raps in Vietnamese and just, like, kept the crowd going for, like, it seemed like an eternity, but it was only for, like, maybe less than 10 minutes. And then, like, all the power came back on. We rocked the set and just, like, blew it out of the water.
Justin Murta [00:43:37]:
And then, like, that solidified, like, I don’t know, like, seven or eight more huge shows that I did with Heineken.
Alysse Bryson [00:43:42]:
So that’s a good save.
Justin Murta [00:43:44]:
It was fun. It was.
Alysse Bryson [00:43:46]:
That’s a good say.
Justin Murta [00:43:47]:
Yeah, that. But, yeah, we’ve. And as being a dj, like, you know, there’s always something that goes wrong. I just. There’s always something weird, like batteries die or somebody trips over a cord, kicks a plug out of the wall. Everything shuts down rough.
Alysse Bryson [00:44:03]:
Well, before we sign off, Justin, do you want to. Do you want to drop some beats? I think you promised that earlier on in the episode.
Justin Murta [00:44:10]:
Yeah, I did. Yeah. I don’t really have any. I don’t really have any beats here, but, like, I’ll. I’ll just try to. I’ll just try to drop something, you know, from the top. You guys can keep this, however. All right, here we go.
Justin Murta [00:44:23]:
I’m chilling with Libby. Beats, working events. You know, we’re getting silly. We’re talking all day about different stuff. It doesn’t matter if your life is easy or tough. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to be Danger Russ or if you’re just like you and you’re sober as well. That’s we keep it going and the headphones moving and everybody grooving and nobody’s losing. So that’s how we sign off and we do it like this.
Justin Murta [00:44:46]:
I like to keep it fresh. I like to keep it crisp. But since I don’t have a mic in my fist, I’m gonna stop here. But it’s hard to resist. Thank you guys so much. It’s been fun. Been real.
Libby Sundgren [00:44:59]:
Gosh, thank you, Justin.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:02]:
That was good. That was good.
Libby Sundgren [00:45:04]:
I could never do that. I could not think of words and, like, rhymes just like that. I could not do that. I’m always so impressed.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:11]:
Oh, that’s so good.
Justin Murta [00:45:12]:
I love it.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:13]:
Well, that is a wrap for this episode of Beats Working. Justin, where can our many listeners find you?
Justin Murta [00:45:19]:
You can just go to Google, Google, search Justin Murda in parentheses, and you’ll find me.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:25]:
And make sure you get the one on the west coast, not the one on the east coast, right?
Libby Sundgren [00:45:28]:
Yes, correct.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:29]:
Right.
Libby Sundgren [00:45:30]:
The west coast. Justin Riddle.
Alysse Bryson [00:45:32]:
We’ll also put links in the show notes. Yeah, we’ll also put links in the show notes. And if you have an idea or you want to reach out, please email us at infoatsworking Show. And remember, every detail matters, every moment counts, and no matter what, even if there’s a typhoon, the show must go on. Thanks for listening to Beats Working, Winning the game of events, where we explore what it takes to make moments unforgettable.
Libby Sundgren [00:45:59]:
If you’re leaving with a little more inspiration, a little more perspective, and a big sideache from all of the laughing at our funny jokes, then we’ve done our job.
Alysse Bryson [00:46:08]:
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Libby Sundgren [00:46:18]:
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